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Technoz Hey all,
For reference, I'm 20 years old sophmore in college and doing a project on castles for my History of Architecture class.
I've been snooping around the board and all the topics for a good couple hours now. I must say the info here is incredible, and I can't wait to come back next week and look around some more when I am writing my paper.
As for now, I have been collecting some basic info for the presentation I get to do tomorrow. I think, along with pictures I have collected and our school's slide collection, I have almost enough info to present tomorrow. However one thing I am interested in for background that I have not found yet is any info regarding the first castle built. I realize this may not be a cut and dry answer as it seems castles have evolved from lesser structures.
I found the following excerpt from a website:
Castles were brought to Britain by William the Conqueror, when he invaded England from his homeland in France. Known as the Duke of Normandy, William invaded England in 1066 and, due to his victory in the Battle of Hastings, William was crowned the King of England, and became King William I.
This leads me to believe that castles possibly started in France? Any clarification would be great. Even if I don't find out in time for my presentation tomorrow, I can certainly use the info in my paper.
Thanks a lot, and I apologize for any lack of common sense about castles and related topics. I've basically learned everything I know about them in the last 3 hours It been quite enlightening!
Jason
AJR "Castles" were being erected in Britain well before William the Conqueror came, but these tended to be either simple earthworks, or topped with wooden structures. Maiden Castle in Dorset is one such example.
It would clearly depend upon your definition of a castle. I'll leave others to expand on that.
AJR
Peter A castle by any other name !
Perhaps there will never be an agreement on the where the 'first' castle was. As you have already stated, it was an evolving thing.
The Germans had early defensive systems, and like the Normans bringing their style to England. They took them into northern Italy as the Lombards. So today you have Lombardia in Italy.
The Etruscans had huge structures before the Roman Empire. Their great wall surrounding Volterra in Tuscany is twice the size of the later Medieval one.
Even in Ireland, the early Irish had a motte like structure called a 'Rath'. But instead of using a bailey like the Normans for their buildings, they placed them on top.
When the Normans invaded Ireland in about 1168\69, they merely reused the Rath.
Where you might find a starting point, is when did these wood & earth structures turn into stone ones ?
Gordon Similarly the Picts in Scotland had been building stone 'Brochs' from long before Roman times, and if you were to try and classify buildings, it can be difficult to ignore them when defining a castle. They typify many structures which can creep within the boundaries of many definitions.
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'Demeure par la verite'
Visit; Gordon's Scottish Castles Resource Page
now and again i think that the stones were built long time ago like bc. you god did have to step in the mud so the brick would make right or simething like that.

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T O P I C R E V I E W
Technoz	Hey all, For reference, I'm 20 years old sophmore in college and doing a project on castles for my History of Architecture class. I've been snooping around the board and all the topics for a good couple hours now. I must say the info here is incredible, and I can't wait to come back next week and look around some more when I am writing my paper. As for now, I have been collecting some basic info for the presentation I get to do tomorrow. I think, along with pictures I have collected and our school's slide collection, I have almost enough info to present tomorrow. However one thing I am interested in for background that I have not found yet is any info regarding the first castle built. I realize this may not be a cut and dry answer as it seems castles have evolved from lesser structures. I found the following excerpt from a website: Castles were brought to Britain by William the Conqueror, when he invaded England from his homeland in France. Known as the Duke of Normandy, William invaded England in 1066 and, due to his victory in the Battle of Hastings, William was crowned the King of England, and became King William I. This leads me to believe that castles possibly started in France? Any clarification would be great. Even if I don't find out in time for my presentation tomorrow, I can certainly use the info in my paper. Thanks a lot, and I apologize for any lack of common sense about castles and related topics. I've basically learned everything I know about them in the last 3 hours It been quite enlightening! Jason
AJR	"Castles" were being erected in Britain well before William the Conqueror came, but these tended to be either simple earthworks, or topped with wooden structures. Maiden Castle in Dorset is one such example. It would clearly depend upon your definition of a castle. I'll leave others to expand on that. AJR
Peter	A castle by any other name ! Perhaps there will never be an agreement on the where the 'first' castle was. As you have already stated, it was an evolving thing. The Germans had early defensive systems, and like the Normans bringing their style to England. They took them into northern Italy as the Lombards. So today you have Lombardia in Italy. The Etruscans had huge structures before the Roman Empire. Their great wall surrounding Volterra in Tuscany is twice the size of the later Medieval one. Even in Ireland, the early Irish had a motte like structure called a 'Rath'. But instead of using a bailey like the Normans for their buildings, they placed them on top. When the Normans invaded Ireland in about 1168\69, they merely reused the Rath. Where you might find a starting point, is when did these wood & earth structures turn into stone ones ?
Gordon	Similarly the Picts in Scotland had been building stone 'Brochs' from long before Roman times, and if you were to try and classify buildings, it can be difficult to ignore them when defining a castle. They typify many structures which can creep within the boundaries of many definitions. ------------------ 'Demeure par la verite' Visit; Gordon's Scottish Castles Resource Page
now and again	i think that the stones were built long time ago like bc. you god did have to step in the mud so the brick would make right or simething like that.